Concerning as to what culture Sibyl may originate from, there are two viable options for this: either Sibyl is Germanic or Greek. Sounds simple enough, right? Well, that's where I'm a tad vexed as to the solution to this conundrum.
The word "Sibyl" springs from the Latin variation of the Greek name "Sibylla", or so as the wikia for Sibyl's page states. This would indicate Sibyl's heritage hailing from Greece. Yet in the final credits sequence, Sibyl is among the Germans, perhap implying her culture is Germanic.
What I am going to argue is Sibyl could be of Germanic origin, yet may just simply carry a Greek name as a result of her master's preferences.
Now, one may say Sibyl was only included in the sequence with the Germans simply because of both Sibyl and Saxa's romantic lifestyle with Gannicus, and therefore they would share a screen together. Yet, when it came to Spartacus' lovers, they had their own seperate pages; Sibyl and Saxa could have just easily had their own pages while the Germans had theirs to themselves. At least to me, it seems more likely Sibyl's roots lie within Germania, yet, again, those are just my thoughts.
What are your thoughts pertaining to Sibyl's background? The other admins may also have a say in these matters, so I should ask them, as well. I happen to hold onto the theory she may be German, but I would like to hear everyones input.
It's understandable why you went with Greek because usually the only information we have for speculation about their heritage is their name and/or an obvious appearance (the black characters being Numidian for example).
But ya, her placement with the other Germans does throw a wrench into things. Hopefully he writes us back and if not, I'll write him again about it another time because it's probably easy for him to miss a tweet since he probably receives so many.
Sybil appearing in the credits with the Germans shouldn't be a reason to assume her ethnic identity as Germanic. I think her appearance alongside them was more arbitary than anything.
As to speculating ofthe ethnicities of other characters, I was thinking that people like Sanus, who is listed as Cilician, was played by an African-American actor, so I figured the in-story explanation for Sanus could be that he's of Ethiopian or Nubian descent, as Cilicia was for a time an Egyptian province under the Ptolemies. There's also the Heroopolite Canal, an ancient predecessor of the Suez Canal, which allowed the Greeks and Carthaginians to trade in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean. And due to these factors, Sanus may be descended from either slaves, mercenaries, or even merchants from the Sudan-Ethiopia region of the world. The Kingdom of Axum, from the First century BCE, was known for it's maritime activities between Egypt and India.
The Hispanic rebel Lydon, played by a Brazilian actor, could be speculated to come from the ancient region of Andalucia, which was settled extensively by both Celts and Phoenicians. The latter bringing North African Berber and proto-Haratins (North African black people) as settlers into Spain more than a millenium prior to the Muslim conquests in the 700's CE. Lydon, if born in Turditania (Andalucia), could descended from mixed relations, as his appearance may suggest.
Nemetes (the name of a tribe rather than a personal name in real life) could be descended from Celts, as Nemetes is clearly derived from the Celtic term Nemeton, which means a shrine or temple.
As Spartacus' tribal homeland of the Maedi is located in the modern Blagoevgrad Province in Bulgaria, he may be descended in some way to the Celts of Tylis, as Stara Zagora, where Tylis is located, is roughly thirty-forty miles from Blagoevgrad Province. And I've heard mention by historians who speculate that Spartacus may have been one of those Thracian-based Celts.
That could have been a good indication, but unless we are watching different scenes, the only time I saw her speak German to Sibyl is when she says "I would break more fucking words" and doesn't wait for a response from Sibyl before turning away and dragging Sibyl with her. I didn't really see much of an acknowledgment of whether Sibyl understood those words or not.
Like you mentioned, it very well could just be happenstance that she ends up on the frame with the other auxillary characters, who all just happen to be Germans.
As far as looks go, her petite appearance doesn't suggest Germanic stock to me.
Fenrir51: That is all well and good, and I do appreciate your knowledgability in the historical, yet we are only currently speculating Sibyl's origins in this discussion, not other characters, so we should remain on point of topic. That being said, I suppose Sibyl's appearance with the Germans may be "arbitrary", and that her name lying in Greek origins may be the best evidence we have as to her whereabouts. For now, unless Deknight responds otherwise, Sibyl will remain a Greek.
Olemisscub: In terms of appearance, however, I'm not exactly sure having a stock build-up necessarily signifies the cultural origins of a particular person, anymore so than an overly-obese fastfood-eater automatically indicating an American origin. Appearances alone should not be an initial variable.
Again, when all is said and then done, Steven DeKnight is the ultimate source of explanation for his creations.
Dente, while somebodys enthic backgound would have little to do with it, it can have an effect on your build. When a culture relys on brute force, they will have a larger build, like the germens historicly are larger then some, while those from numidia would be more slender and agile. The counter to this argument is syble never trained to fight, so she couldnt have that build.
i would say she is more likly greek, as germens are blond and she has dark hair.
But since we now know, my argument is mute, so carry on, and thanks Olenisscub for hunting down the truth.
Cheatcodechamp: Perhaps Germans may historically be more muscularly-built and well-stocked then others, but we have to remember: most of these German warriors on the show were originally slaves on ships sent off to fight in the arena. Of course they would be well built, because they would have been valuable stock within the slave trade community, and as a result carrying a much higher bargaining bid for buyers.
There's also the fact the strong Germans that we see fighting, like Lugo and Donar, are fighting because they are capable of being fighters in the first place, while the more slender and sleek Germans would be in the background supporting menial tasks like food and water, etc.
But I do agree that certain cultures are best suited for certain purposes if their culture demands it, like let's say a certain tribe near a coastline would be better fishers than others, or barbarian warriors in the mountains would be better fighters in rough terrain. So, to an extent, there is some validity.
Fenrir51: No, no, not at all, your expertise in history and geography is an enormous contribution to the project of this wikia.
That's just my two cents to throw in, though, and perhaps I am getting off-topic as well. Well,
Hi Cheatcodechamp, I'd like to formally introduce myself, I'm ookinooki.
If you wouldn't mind having a look, could I get your opinion on an idea I've had? I've asked AchiIIes about it and he's happy, but asked me to run it by you and Dente12, for your input. I hope you don't mind :)
I was thinking that some of the pages that don't have character images (example) just look a bit empty. My idea was to add silhouette images to fill in the gaps and give a more 'complete' look. We could just upload a male image and a female image and use them for the right gender of character.
AchiIIes kindly uploaded and added an example to Titus, so that you can get a proper feel for the idea, so would you please kindly take a look and give me some feedback?
I have mixed feelings about this myself, while i see a use, i grew into the wika with a concept of not adding image to an article that are not of the character. That being said, we dont have images for certain characters. I fixed this on the articles for "Novel characters" by ajusting the template to not take a image.
Ill go along with this, it dosnt hurt to try to things and i see no harm in this idea. It can always be ajusted if it disnt work.
I understand your reasoning for disliking the idea, so thank you for going along with it anyway. I shall proceed with changing the images as soon as I can. If you still do not like them after a time, then I shan't make a fuss if you wish to remove them. Thanks again :)
Im exteemly behind on the show, i burned myself out writing articles and i havnt really sat down and just watched an episode. It being a battle would depend on the ammount of people. For example, the fight in vengence between Spartacus and Ashurs group would be a skirmish since only a dozen or so where involved, When the final battle that Glaber died in would be a battle since the majority of both armys fought.
This is the fight on the beach right? the one that the Crassus boy lost? i would say thats a battle. His father in the next episode i think called it a failed battle, and there where a large amount of solders who fought. Battles have major impacts on a war, Even if this one battle woulndt have ended the war, it did effect moral and was the first engajment between Crassus and Spartacus, making it an inportant fight.
I am going to inform you guys of our to-do-list. This list was made for admins to use (even before my arrival) but I don't see why we shouldn't open it to the rest of the world. The list is currently a little outdated, but please feel free to add content here.
I brought this up this up to Achilles and he said he had no issue with it but asked I share my thoughts to you and Dente12 and guage your opinions on the matter.
I'm not one for suggesting much but was looking through a good deal of our Character pages and was curious on to the location where we would add combat prowess? I've noticed most of the main characters have a brief tidbit of their fighting abilities listed in either the Trivia or Appearance section. I was curious if there is a spot we could place those specific character aspects on the pages, whether or not they could have their own section (i.e. Combat Prowess or something else) or have it remain in the Appearance of Trivia sections of the Characters. I'd hope that we'd keep it neutral as well (For instance a Gannicus fan or Crixus fan claiming their character being better than another based upon bias, et cetera).
Just a little thought I had and felt like expressing it was all.
We have been talking about ways to inprove that Wika, and i dont see why we shouldnt have a part of the article that goes over the more inpertant characters skills and combative backgrounds. Since its your idea, i would recomend adding this to a few articles so we can see how it looks and others can follow by example. I myself dont think every article needs it, since not everybody fights every episode, if at all.
Agreed. I meant mostly just on the characters who have been involved in numerous combat situations or at least have shown themselves to be capable in terms of fighting. Gratitude for your insight and I will see what I can do.
Well I have set up a couple and it looks like everyone else has been following suit and since you and the other admins seem to like this idea it looks like it's green lighted and now it's a matter of putting it all together! Gratitude once again for your approval.
My request has been granted, and the time has come to fufil the promise I made to you. Congratulations on becoming an admin! You will now notice the "Admin" icon on your profile, showing your status. This will show you the basics, and you should also notice the "Admin" menu that appears at the bottom of the page next to "My Tools". That has everything you should need for Admin-related stuff. I'll also add your name to our official admin list. If there's anything you're unsure of or have an idea about, just ask.
i was wondering, when you click onto a category on this wiki the pages come up with seperate boxes, on my wiki when i click onto a category, there are 8 boxes and below there are a list of words in letter order. how do i change the layout to pages of seperate boxes like it does on this wiki?
I've talked to Dente12 about adminship rights. Now before I take action and receive bueacratic rights, I would like to know, would you also like to become an admin here? I find you worthy of the position. You and I have been working closely since you first came here. Your contributions have impressed me thus far. So, please think about it and let me know.
Since i marked it, i cant delete, its just my opinion and it would have to have some support from other users and admins. If you it to stay, you would have to talk to AchiIIes, since he is also the only one who can delete anything.
And while i never thought of making my own character, i do offten think of me being in the show, but odds are i would have died by now.
Hey Phil. I looked at the Murder's victim page and I agree with Cheat, this page should be deleted. This character has no contribution to the story line, no name, only exists for one scene, no connection to any of the characters (except The Murderer); So I see the page as having no use. So with that, it will be deleted.